Can we have a real discussion about Bruce Jenner?

The answer is a resounding NO. If you are not affirming Bruce Jenner then you better keep your mouth shut. Any questions, doubts or comments that can not be classified as complimentary will put you into hatespeak jail. The media has embraced Jenner and his story and that’s that. No room for discussion just room for affirmations. Share your thoughts.

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  • Spanish Inquisitor  On April 27, 2015 at 3:25 pm

    What’s to discuss? He said what he’s doing, and he’s doing it. The only reason the media is involved is because he’s “media material”. But, really, it’s nobody’s business. No more than it’s my business what you do in your private life.

    But aside from that, who’s stopping you from discussing anything? Discuss away. You have a blog, say what you want. Same goes for anyone else. I really don’t understand what you mean by “no room for discussion”. What exactly is this post? – Room for discussion….

    • musesofamom  On April 27, 2015 at 3:32 pm

      Over the weekend Kim’s ex Kris Humphries tweeted he is glad he got out when he did. Now that could have meant he thinks Jenner’s announcement will bring even more media attention, but the initial reaction from the social media world is that Humphries was insulting Jenner. Humphries had to go on and send out clarification tweets.

      • Spanish Inquisitor  On April 27, 2015 at 3:52 pm

        Yes, I saw that, and my response was that it didn’t surprise me that the artist in the family (Kanye, who I otherwise don’t really care much for) was surprisingly open-minded about it, while the jock wasn’t. But, so what?

        Why is it that when someone says something that provokes disagreement, he/she feels like he’s being shut down, just because someone disagrees. I’ll bet if he looked around, he’d find a lot of people agreed with him. Having an opinion doesn’t mean you get automatic agreement or respect. Others are free to disagree. That’s the beauty of one of the best things about living in a free society.

        Seriously…I say things here all the time that generally, though not always, engenders vociferous disagreement, and I keep coming back. I’d venture to go so far to say that I’m usually in the minority here. But I love the give and take, and I’ve modified my opinions in both large and small ways, over the years by that give and take.

        And look at us. We’re discussing what you suggested there was no room for discussion about. Personally, I admire his courage. I think I understand, somewhat, that he’s going through. Something that is extremely difficult for him, because people are committing suicide rather than have to face the same thing. It HAS TO BE hard. If I was religious, I’d say God bless him, but for the grace of God, go I. But I don’t have to because I was born with the right equipment for my gender. All I can do is be empathetic and allow him the space to live his life. If others can’t do that, that’s on them….

  • musesofamom  On April 27, 2015 at 4:45 pm

    SI I appreciate you because we rarely agree but you are never disrespectful. Bruce Jenner is an adult and he can make any decision that he feels is right for his life, but last week NBC did a series on transgender children, and I must say it was jarring. they profiled a 4 year old girl who believed she was a boy and her parents let her live as a boy. This child was 4. Parents typically tell 4 year olds what to eat, what to wear, when to go to sleep when to get up. In other words everything but this life altering decision was left to the child. This decision was appaulded by the media there was no voice on the panel asking if a 4 year old is capable of this kind of decision. No it was a panel of affirmation. When the question came up what restroom should the child go to the response was the boys, but what if a parent of a child born a boy had a problem with it? that parent would be vilified and that parents concerns would be dismissed as hatespeak.

    • Spanish Inquisitor  On April 28, 2015 at 3:07 pm

      That’s interesting. I did not see that. Did the parents of the 4 year old have outside medical and psychological advice before they made their decision to allow their daughter to live as a boy? I would have a problem doing so without that, but I understand that professionals have seen this in kids as early as 1 1/2 years. If people like Jenner, and all those kids committing suicide, know that as adults, why would it not be surprising that they may know this as children?

      And why focus on the public bathroom issue. That doesn’t affect the child. It only seems to affect the adults who find this disturbing. Most public bathrooms have stalls, and allow privacy. Both in the men’s and women’s rooms. We’re talking about the psychological well being of a child and adult are talking about bathrooms? I feel a certain disconnect here. When the motivation for questioning what’s right and wrong is the personal predilections of an adult, the discussion is heading in the wrong direction. It’s not “hate-speak” to slap them down. It’s attitude correction. They need to get over it….Frankly, I see no problem with unisex bathrooms.

      If a child is brought up believing there is nothing wrong with them, no matter how they view themselves, there will be nothing wrong with them. If the adults make them feel they are abnormal, they will feel abnormal. It’s up to us to fix this attitude.

  • elogam  On April 29, 2015 at 6:13 am

    I think this will disappear from the headlines pretty quickly. Not because of the riots in Baltimore or any other news story, but because Jenner has come out-as-a-CONSERVATIVE!?!?!?!?! Both sides will be faced with the dilemma of “He’s a transgender-but-HE’S A REPUBLICAN!” Partisan heads will be melting in 5-4-3-2….

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