Benghazi, AP and IRS…are these the only issues facing America?

I thought the deficit was the most important issue facing Americans. The GOP leaders were committed to balancing the deficit no matter what it took. Cut, cut, cut that is what Americans were going to have to do. This was by far their issue, but nobody is talking about the deficit anymore. Did it become less important or is there another way to attack the administration? Three issues have become front burner issues: Benghazi, AP and IRS. The IRS scandal is a valid issue. No adminstration has the right to target a group for special scrunity, and we lost four lives in the Benghazi tragedy, but let us not forget 4,000 lives have been lost in Iraq where was the GOP outrage then? America has a number of problems including jobs…no one is talking about this on either side of the aisle. Is there any governing going on in DC or is there only partisan posturing?

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  • Spanish Inquisitor  On May 20, 2013 at 4:41 pm

    It’s obvious, isn’t it? They are not talking about the deficit, because the deficit is no longer a problem. It’s on track to be the lowest it’s been since Clinton was in office.

    Republicans can’t flog that one anymore, so they need something else to use. Hence, the newest “scandals”, all of them either completely fabricated, or blown so out of proportion that you can’t take what the Republicans say anymore without a truckload of salt. Cheney says Benghazi is the “worst thing that ever happened in his career”? What, he conveniently forgets the 60 people who died in Embassy violence on his watch alone? Or for that matter, 9/11? Does he even know what the word hyperbole means?

    Don’t even get me started on the other two. I’m sorry, if you vote for a Republican in any election, you need to have your head examined.

    • Bill  On May 20, 2013 at 11:46 pm

      So the deficit is no longer a problem? Really? Yes, if the government continues on the current projected pathway, the year-end fiscal deficit will be $642Billion compared to $1.2 Trillion in the previous year. This is a major improvement but no longer a problem? Are you serious? This is like a family that has accumulated consumer debt of $80,000 which accrued at an annual rate of $10,000 per year but this year they will only add $5,000 in new charge account purchases to their total $80,000 debt. They’ve reduced that annual addition of charge account debt by half. The deficit problem improving but the bigger debt problem is getting worse.

      Yeah there’s that pesky little problem of nearly $17 Trillion of accumulated debt of the U.S. government. The deficit only needs to be reduced another $640 Billion before there is a beginning of any impact made on that underlying problem. And the fiscal nightmare from this will occur when the interest rate on that debt increases, which it must when creditors are no longer willing to lend to us at the current low rates.

      • Spanish Inquisitor  On May 21, 2013 at 2:39 pm

        Bill, you missed the point. Joni was asking why the Republicans are concentrating on trumped up scandals instead of the deficit. All I said is that it’s not a problem. The unstated, but implied assertion is that it’s not a problem they can score points with. When the deficit was getting bigger, that was a problem they could flog -“The sky is falling! The deficit is getting bigger!” They can’t do that now. So they need something else they can use to scare us into thinking the sky is falling.

        Republicans are all about creating fear in the public. “The Commies/Muslims/Liberals will get us!” Those are all bogeymen created by Republicans. Now it’s “The black man in the White House will a)take our guns; b) spend all our hard earned money; c) tax us to death and call it health care! Lions and tigers and bears, oh my!”

        BTW, we’ve always had deficit spending, as far back as I can remember. We paid for WWII with deficit spending. We paid for the prosperity in the 50s and 60s with deficit spending. I get really tired of hearing the inappropriate analogy that the government is like a family, with the same sort of economics. The Federal government is a sovereign nation. When was the last time you printed your own money in your family? The federal government creates the economy. It has to manage it properly by keeping inflation down, but on the whole, deficit spending works well.

        As far as I can see, the deficit is well below manageable levels, and I notice Obama’s not getting much credit for that. Maybe that’s because he’s the anti-Christ? God gets all the credit for successes (we call them miracles) but none of the blame for his failures (natural disasters, diseases, etc). I guess it’s only fair that it works in reverse for the Anti-Christ.

  • ctt  On May 20, 2013 at 4:43 pm

    good question Eb! Answer to is there any governing going on in D.C. = NO! Only incompetence on all levels, especially the Executive Branch, which SHOULD be setting the tone, which it has, so look what you have!!! Second, my question to you regarding partisan posturing, ” even if it is does it minimize the fact that lives were lost and the truth was not told (just around election time, “coincidentally”), and that the government is spying and potentially stepping on Constitutional Rights, AGAIN, with the AP scandal, and how “out of order” the IRS is targeting specific groups (liberals or conservatives) – those facts aren’t important???? In the words of Hillary Clinton, “What difference does it make?” even if it is politics as usual. TIME to focus on the real issue.

  • Bill  On May 20, 2013 at 8:04 pm

    The deficit was perhaps the most important known problem facing the country until the uncovering of actual evidence of the corruption which has been endemic to this administration from its inception. And you ask, “Is this just another way to attack this administration?” Please tell me that you’re just attempting to be provocative. These violations are attacks on the freedoms of the American people. But you concede that the IRS scandal is a problem. So the other two scandals are just politics? The press scandal and the IRS scandal are the kind of infringements one might expect in a banana republic, not in an ostensibly free country and they are extremely chilling. The complicit lap dog media did their very best to run interference and cover up for them until they realized that they are not immune to being targets of the corruption.

    And you’re attempting to establish moral equivalence of the four thousand troops who were killed in Iraq in combat with the four Americans, including an Ambassador who were murdered in Benghazi because their country refused to even attempt to rescue them? Really? Really? I repeat, the victims in Benghazi are dead because they were refused recusing by their country. As repugnant as the loss of life in Iraq was, it was in combat. One can disagree on whether or not they feel troops should have been employed in that incursion, which I don’t, it was nevertheless combat.

    • Spanish Inquisitor  On May 21, 2013 at 2:49 pm

      I’d be interested in hearing what you call “corruption which has been endemic to this administration from its inception”. I consider myself fairly informed, and I’ve missed it. Of course, I don’t watch FOX very much, so perhaps that’s why.

      As for Iraq, I tend to think 4000 dead are a lot worse than 4 dead, just on the simple application of math. I guess you don’t. The 4000 dead in Iraq were killed as a direct result of a lie. A blatant, intentional lie. So the combat you believe absolves their deaths, was unnecessary combat.

      Sorry, but I don’t absolve that many deaths that cavalierly.

      • Spanish Inquisitor  On May 21, 2013 at 3:03 pm

        And the more I think about this, the more this pisses me off. You seem to think 4 dead in Benghazi is far more significant that those that died in Iraq and Afghanistan. When I replied above, I took your simple equivalence of 4 versus 4000. But let’s not forget the 10s of thousands of injured, scarred and mutilated veterans who will have to live with their injuries for the rest of their lives. Many of them would say that the dead are the lucky ones.

        And also, don’t forget that we keep losing more men and women to suicide than to combat. And we lose more each day. The mental health issues are gigantic.

        I’m really a bit sickened by your so-called moral equivalences. I ‘m glad I’ll never have to rely on you for help.

      • Spanish Inquisitor  On May 21, 2013 at 3:08 pm

        Delete that last comment. Some day I’ll memorize the HTML code. 😉

      • Bill  On May 21, 2013 at 5:08 pm

        Yes, I do in fact consider the murder of four U.S. citizens which resulted because the Consulate was refused adequate security by the State Department and then refused military rescue they pleaded for during an attack to be far more egregious. For me this is not an issue about the number of deaths but about deaths that resulted from betrayal by one’s country. It’s about citizens being put in harm’s way and then refused adequate protection because to provide such would not comport with the narrative that Bin Laden is dead and terrorism has been extinguished.

        You are no more sympathetic than I am about the casualties and deaths resulting from the incursions into Iraq and Afghanistan. I don’t think that we should now be or ever have been in those countries. So I agree that the troops were sent into unnecessary combat. But I remind you that Iraq was the wrong war and Afghanistan is the right war according to the current president. But for those who have been dispatched there they deserve the absolute best equipment and protection available just as those in Benghazi begged for but were refused. So this is not a simple matter of arithmetic.

      • Spanish Inquisitor  On May 21, 2013 at 7:47 pm

        That’s truly disheartening Bill. You really are as callous as you let on. Even if the way you characterize it is true (which I don’t believe) you think because Obama somehow failed to get help for 4 men halfway across the world, that their lives are worth more than the 4400 Americans who died in a war caused by, in your words “a betrayal by one’s country”, not to mention the incredible suffering of the injured, along with the hundreds of thousands of dead Iraqis, and the complete devastation of that country? That is…inhumane. And completely despicable.

        Do you kick your dog too? You must really hate Obama. 😦

  • Bill  On May 22, 2013 at 2:54 am

    Yeah SI, it’s gotta be racism. There’s no other reason anyone could be opposed to him. I’m amused by the way you resort to intellectual dishonesty being devoid of a cogent argument. Please clue me in to when acknowledged that I did not care about the troops who were killed in the wars or the injured or the devastation to the countries where the wars were fought. I’m disappointed in myself for respecting you and believing that you were better than that.

    • Spanish Inquisitor  On May 22, 2013 at 3:55 pm

      I didn’t write this:

      Yes, I do in fact consider the murder of four U.S. citizens which resulted because the Consulate was refused adequate security by the State Department and then refused military rescue they pleaded for during an attack to be far more egregious.

      One man’s claim to intellectual dishonesty is another man’s…intellectual dishonesty.

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