The Democratic platform is the most liberal ever. The gay rights advocates got a nod. The women’s rights advocates got a nod, but God got a split decision. I watched the DNC take a verbal vote on whether God should be included in their platform and it was something jarringly, disturbing to hear so many in the hall say No to the addition. This morning it was interesting to see all the talking heads explain why there was an omission in the first place. A couple of weeks ago I was part of a conference call in which a prominant black minister outlined how he would be doing outreach to black and Hispanic ministers in an effort to recruit them into the Romney camp. At the time I saw this as a quixotic effort, but yesterday made me wonder is there room in this party for believers? Share your thoughts.
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Don’t make the mistake of confusing a rejection of the current obsession of republicans with inserting God into everything, with a lack of belief in God. Did you listen to those speeches? Very few of them didn’t end with “God Bless America.”
What you are hearing when they say “no” is not, “No, I don’t believe in God” it’s “No, I don’t believe God has anything to do with a secular government”. And it doesn’t. And never has. And never should. It’s why we have separation of Church and State, and no religious test for government office. It’s why God is not mentioned anywhere in the Constitution.
I am IMMENSELY disturbed by the whole thing . . . I don’t want to be associated as a democratic at all!!!! I am also just as disturbed by the racist and “non poor people” tone of the republicans. I am soooo torn.
Yes, I heard the “God bless ” at the end of the speeches, I also hear that every time I sneeze.
Also, I feel that the whole “separation of church and state” is just as widely misused. The original intent of that sentiment is that the church cannot dictate the laws. If we completely eliminate Godly principles from our political discussions and our society, we have CHAOS.
No offense, but if that’s your belief, I’m not going to try to dissuade you from it, (because I’ve found that there is usually no chance of reasoning someone out of a belief they were not originally reasoned into ) other than to hope that you actually read up on the subject, because your belief is, in short, wrong.
It is interesting that in one breath you say that you are not going to try to change robin’s viewpoint, but you end it by saying her belief is wrong. Her belief is different from your and that does not make it wrong it simply makes it different.
“Wrong” is probably a bit misleading, though she is. “Unsupportable” would be a better word…
I realize this particular subject is an emotional issue and frequently emotions are not founded in reason. However, historically, the Founders were saying: “We do not want in America what we had in Great Britain: we don’t want one denomination running the nation. We will not all be Catholics, or Anglicans, or any other single denomination. We do want God’s principles, but we don’t want one denomination running the nation.”
Of course there is room in the Democratic party for both religion and atheism. September 7, 2012: I there a Christian Exodus from the Democratic Party? The Democratic Party platform now includes a reference to “god”. That’s nice, but neither Christians nor atheists should run from the party. I would prefer the wording: “The Democratic Party recognizes all forms of spirituality, religion, and atheism. Here we have the primordial question: “did god create man, or did man create god?” No one is telling anyone what to believe. The “choice” in this case is up to the individual. And there we have the basis for faith – that what one believes in is true. Either way, the world has evolved to where we are today. There is no reason for anyone to leave the Democratic Party.
I agree. Religion, God, faith, should have no place in government, and as a result, no place in political discourse. Other than the affirmation that everyone has a right to their own beliefs, it should not even be discussed.
And if you really want to get a sense for what I just said, imagine the hue and cry if it was proposed that the word “god” be replaced with the word “Allah”. Point out that the intention behind the use of “god” is to highlight only the Christian God, and Christians will say “No, it’s a generic god for everyone”, but then say “Ok, then lets use the ‘generic’ term Allah”, and they will start to howl so loud you’ll have to hold your hands over your ears.
Just look at what they did here. The platform has a very strong statement about faith, but they (Christians) insisted that the word God should be used. Why? The concept is there, just not the word. Why are they hung up on the semantics? It’s part of the old Christian persecution complex. “If you don’t do what I say, and respect my beliefs, then you are persecuting me”.
It gets so old….
We cannot legislate salvation or morality. God gives us a choice to sin or obey Him. We pay either way. It is by grace that we are saved. But, we made a choice because we had access through Christ. My pastor has been teaching about the deception of sin and Satan. The law is for the lawless. Christians will obey Gid if it is right or wrong. I believe we are asking politicians to be pastors and do the job of the church. My question is why is the church so weak? Here in chicago, with all this violence, who is walking the streets to encourage the young people. It is the black nation of islam, non christians. Gays will continue to be gays with or without the law. Heterosexuals will continue to sleep around have sexual relations outside of marriage. Women will continue to have abortions. I can go on. I have to chosen to vote for the person that will do the greatest good for the majority of the people.
The solution is not either party but 2 chronicles 7:14. We are in the last days.
I also vote because my ancestor fought for us to vote. That was against the law. I cannot embrace the hatred, racism and fear the Republicans are pumping out. robin neither party is fully embracing Christian values. Jesus embraced all and delivered those that desired it.